in pakistan, all these guys use the triple play project which is same thing that time warner offers right here in the u.s. cable, high-speed internet, telephone bundled together. they use the same services that we do. they're just as sophisticated. they know how to use google. they know how to use facebook. they know how to use social networking. so it's very important to have operational security. and it's very important not to divulge details which are assisting terrorist organizations. >> would you say that when you're talking with a terrorist, quote, unquote, is this somebody who's going to leave the conversation with you and go home and worry about putting food on the dinner table for his or her children? put them to bed and lead a normal life? is it that normal? >> you know, it's really -- it's really weird, it is. some of these guys, literally we see them driving away in their compact cars with the wife and the kid in the back. we see pictures from the front line in afghanistan of folks that have brought their entire family there. little kids running around, the wives, everything.